Returning threadworms for years....

Hi Kate - here is the title of another three studies and it's on the NHS website

Are worms key to health?

Thursday January 29 2009

I'll paste the link in a minute.

I understand that having them all the time must be infuriating and extremely uncomfortable - I don't suffer as often as you do and the treatment always seems to work for me.

However, I'm still mystified as to why I get them at all.

Can I suggest that you contact the authors of the papers?  Just remember this has NOTHING to do with dirt or germs, they are not bacteria or 'infectious' but apparently beneficial to health.  The problem is when they become intrusive. 

The authors are:

Professors Graham Rook, Anne Cooke and Jan Bradley

are the senior authors of these three separate review papers addressing the possible role of parasitic worms in immunology. They were based on work conducted at The Windeyer Institute of the Royal Free and University College London Medical School, The University of Cambridge and The Universities of Nottingham and Liverpool, respectively.

If none of us has had any sensible advice from GPs and supposed consultants then perhaps talking to someone who really knows their subject could help find a solution.

Best of luck.

 

I've done it!!  I've emailed Professor Graham Rook!

Wow I hope you get a response!

Id love to hear what they reply to your email! Please post it.

Thank you.

Wow that's fascinating! I just read the Telegraph paper of it. I have wondered for a while about that. I mean to be parasite free just seems impossible somehow. If they are everywhere then surely our bodies could once cope?!

I've had worms for prob 3 years now. I've given up trying to eradicate them. I tried everything for the first 2 years. All the protocols, religiously. And the worms STILL came back. I think part of the answer is in acidity of the body, and underlying inflammation in the body (look up ACES study). After finding a worm recently, I have started on lemon juice in warm water as first thing I have in day, meant to neutralise body amongst many benefits. I try and take DE every other day. I wanted to stop taking ovex but I have def accepted the worms. At some point I will try the Cina homeopathy for worms... We'll see. Also I take probiotics but keep forgetting and have water kefir most days. Luckily my husband doesnt bat an eyelid talking about worms, I used to try and hide it but when I finally talked to him he was so laid back about it. Phew!

The underlying inflammation from stress (that some of us aren't even aware of) would affect gut flora so makes sense with the article you mentioned...

Hi pinkpanther25

I feel the same way really, I've kind of accepted that I have them and given up on medication.

The acid is an interesting factor!! I will try to add lemon water to my diet.

My partner is the same, he isn't grossed out by the thought of them at all which is so nice, he is just supportive about it all.

Hi laura, 27275. Sometimes acceptance is key I think, to lots of things in life. Often easier said than done! Also I forgot to say I started taking fermented cod liver oil (sounds gross but the Cinnamon Tingle one is OK with a wee 'shot' of organic apple juice after!) as I think the probio/ water kefir and omegas are key to gut balance. I did a gut healing a while back to rule out leaky gut (used aloe vera juice to seal gut, wait 10 mins, then, probio wait 10 mins, then slippery elm) and liver detox - which now I don't think liver detox strictly necessary, according to info from susun weed, an amazing herbalist (bit out there but I love her!). Lots of butters in diet, so think dandelion leaves they are actually OK if ripped up and put in with other salad leaves, eating the ground elder and other 'weeds' to get the micro nutrients cultivated veg doesn't provide us with. Apparently out guts have billions less bacteria than even 50 years ago. Perhaps that is the key to us all having this friggin worm issue...

Hi pinkpanther25

Have you found the methods you've tried helpful?

How frequently do you see worms?

I'm trying to come up with a diet and supplements that I can stick to in the hopes of if not eliminating them, then at least seeing them less.

Hello Nedra3, 

Are you taking 40 MG of fat with your Valbazen? And how often are u taking it ? I mix mine with a 1/2 heavy cream and cup of milk with hot chocolate then eat a few almonds with it and it has worked for me. I also do salt water & baking soda enemas and drink smooth move tea to keep everything moving. I have been symptom free for almost two months now! I only take the valbazen once a week now but I still use tape to seal up anus even night and tolet paper in the vigina just o be sure they don't migrate there. 

Thank you to you and to everyone who replies here with such kindness. When I often feel my world is collapsing in on me because of the fluttery itch I have to snap out of it or I get caught up in me. It is hard, but I know there are worse things that could be happening. I have to get back to being thankful and grateful for all thats going well in life. Sorry for the mini sermon.

What kind of tape omg, I've thought of that but havent tried it.

I am taking 40 mg of fat now. 2x a day with valbazen. Its been a week. Either heavy cream or evoo. I can see worms now in toilet on occassion when Im lucky enough to "go". . I will try smooth move, used to have some so if we still do its old. Its now on the list.

Please tell me exactly how much salt and baking soda. I did 10 drops of food grade 3%hydrogen peroxide in 2 QT of water enema this morning and until about an hour ago I was itch free!

I know I need to add probiotics. Read this morning that folks with leaky gut, acidic stomach get reoccuring pws and other types of parasites.

Im so relieved youre itch free... gives me hope. I swear these things create bi polar... Im normally a happy person and going from seeing my kids to freaking out if I cleaned toilet well enough (surprise visit) for them to use it has me crazy. Im so afraid someone will catch this. I feel like I have a dirty little (big) secret. So just then I reverted back to freakout mode.

Honestly, just 2 things... Id just like to have relations with my husband (i know, can do other things, and for him we do) and not worry about spreading to anyone.

Sorry if i was to explicit, but pws ruin many days.

I am so sorry youre pregnant and going thru this. I can only imagine.

People feel so differently about enemas. Not sure what you can do safely. Enemas, even with just water make me feel better most of the time, but not always. Plus, i dont know how people have time for one, seems to take over my day. Maybe thatd give you relief?

Wanted to ask if anyone knew anything about a parasite called D fragilis. Its from the pinworm egg! You can get it from having pinworms! This is depressing because i dont think they even test for this patasite. They cant seem to identify pinworms, so highly doubt theyd find this one.

Strange thing is I read somewhere months ago a blurb about getting parasites from parasites and I was seeing the one doc that actually tried to help. When i asked she said thats not possible, lets not go there. I dropped it and never really looked any deeper. Now im miffed. Meds that work for pws dont work for this D fragilis. Could we have that also?

Im so disappointed in the medical community re parasites. I think its a NFL player that was waiting to be treated for cancer from some blood test... he was lethargic, stomach issues. He looked in the toilet and saw a worm that was inches long. Pulled it out took it to dr. He had a tapeworm! Heard he does not have cancer.... what? How wrong can doctors be?

hello, I am new to this post. But I just wonder if I have it, my doctor said he doesn't think I have it. But I took one Menbedazole 100 mg a month ago, after that immediately next day felt less craving for foods. Then 3.5 week later, of course going through crazy days again, yesterday I felt itchy again and took another tablet. I do not like the tablet, it is toxic to liver and I feel sick sick sick after taking it. Its toxic anyways.

I am just wondering, why some people do not have it, sure they expose to the eggs everywhere. Is there a possibility that their body is not host environment friendly to the eggs to become the worms. Maybe people drink alcohol, eat chilli foods, smoke,... cafe,, regularly and those things make the body impossible for the eggs to grow. Just think about it, why some people cannot get rid of, and some people never have it. 

Im sure you have looked up symptoms for pinworms. Im sorry but 2 doctors told me not only that THEY have to google it, but one said if I cant see them, they must be gone. I had to question why he thought Id even make this appointment with him if I wasnt having trouble, and then I didnt go back. He did not want to help. I learned today that a major lab here in the US suggests the tape test for pinworms. They have the test. The one doc that was of the most help wanted a positive stool test . When I didnt have one, out of 3 tests he too decided I must not have it. Why wasnt tape test good enough if the lab says on their site that its a way to tedt for pws? I would have paid for the kit from the lab... these Drs just do not listen. Next Dr i talk too, if i do, I will kindly ask to research all of these blogs and read the stories and the frustration with how Drs see people with parasites ( how they dont want it to be true... heck, do they realize what life is like daily in this battle? Feeling dirty? Not wanting to infect anyone and being embarassed to let even loved ones know? This is ruining my life! So i want to go see a doc that will humiliate me? They need to read about real people and what the labs obviously miss.

And i totally agree some people are practically immune. If your immune system is compromised in the least beware.

I have wondered many things about parasites. One particular thing i have thought about is if there is a specific parasite that is non harmful to the body that would attack other parasites? There is absolutely zero research on this in what I have found. Interesting... There are instances where parasite help your body. Such as hookworms stopping allergies and allowing people who are allergic to the outside world to not be allergic anymore. I hope researchers look into this cause pinworms could be completely avoided because they would be killed everytime they make it to ur intestines.

I have wondered many things about parasites. One particular thing i have thought about is if there is a specific parasite that is non harmful to the body that would attack other parasites? There is absolutely zero research on this in what I have found. Interesting... There are instances where parasite help your body. Such as hookworms stopping allergies and allowing people who are allergic to the outside world to not be allergic anymore. I hope researchers look into this cause pinworms could be completely avoided because they would be killed everytime they make it to ur intestines.