Starting naltrexone today

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Hi. Haven't had a drink for 10 days but really depressed today. And know I need a drink. This is why acamprosate would have been useful, essential really, as I've no willpower when the addictive head comes again. 

So I took my 1st tablet at 1. Going to let you all know how I get on with it. I've tried it twice before. The first while I was at Cygnet Hospital Harrogate, 15 months ago. It was prescribed to take everyday for a year to prevent cravings and relapse. I stopped taking it after 3 months as I felt like a zombie. Since then I've learned from Paul that, I wasn't taking it correctly.

The 2nd time I tried it was last June but it made me so ill( worse than a hangover, if that's possible!!) . Stopped taking it after a week as couldn't cope with the side effects.

So here goes, fingers crossed..

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    Thanks for all your posts. Well I took tab at 1, started a glass of wine at 2. Then felt really poorly like beginning of flu..dry mouth, headache and aching body. I've hardly slept these last 10 days so was very tired. So at 2.45 went to bed as felt rubbish. Woken up at 7. Ok now and finishing my 2nd glass of wine.

    To Paul or Joanne. Is it 8 hours from 1.00 that I can drink in to stay safe or is it different with naltrexone?

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      Plus should I drink every night for 7 nights to conquer the side effects or spread it out?
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      Naltrexone has a slightly shorter half life than Nalmefene. You should be ok drinking up to 8 hours after taking it. I wouldn't attempt to drink after that period has passed without taking a second pill.
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      You could if you wanted to, but it is not necessary. Your body should become accustomed to it after a few doses, as long as you don't leave it too long between doses.
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      Agree with Paul.

      Remember to always take the first drink after the pill slowly and allow yourself to recognise that something is missing from the experience.

      Then, as you drink ask yourself if you really want another.  If you do then fine, begin another drink.  But at some point, you will hear the signal that you are satisfied and decide not to drink any more.  At that point, get up and do something different.

      We call that drinking mindfully and it makes a big difference to the majority of people.  This isn't a magic pill and if someone decides to keep drinking when they really don't want to, then it won't stop them downing the drink even though it is no longer rewarding.

      The pill is a tool to aid you in making better decisions about your drinking.

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    Thanks Paul, Joanna and everyone. Unfortunately it's 11.39 and haven't stopped when I was supposed to. It's 12.30 pm and need to finish bottle. So it's 10 1/2 hours since took first tablet. After my long sleep I'm feeling alright. Let you know about the hangover tomorrow 

    Usual binge I'd carry on so see what tomorrow holds. 

    Thanks for being there for me all of you xx

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      Hope you can. I'm not sleeping well at all. Five hours is a good night for me!
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      Hello how are you feeling today? Hopefully better xx
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      Slept all night through and most of today. Not got a hangover as such, just very very tired and keep twitching in sleep which wakes me up( whole body jerks). Not sure if this is one of the side effects. Not hungry but had some toast at lunch time.

      Taken a naltrexone at 3.30. Just drinking my first beer now.

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    Hi. Well I've slept all last night and all day again today, until 5. And I'm talking deep sleep. Took a naltrexone at 3.30 and went straight back to sleep. Had a beer and now on the wine. Will stop at 11ish( the 8 hour slot). Is this normal Paul or Joanna.? Must admit feeling a little self indulgent sleeping all day and night. I really really hope this works for me. I'm determined to see this through if there's hope at the end of it all. My family understandbly think I'm on a binge again 
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      Sleep is good, it will help your body and mind to heal biggrin  For some people, naltrexone makes them feel a little sleepy too..... so don't be too hard on yourself.

      You are ever so slighty back-to-front on the drinking though.

      The tablet is not a reason to drink for the entire 8 hour window.  Many people accidently misunderstand that.  It's quite common actually. 

      You are looking to use the tablet as a tool to help you stop long before then.  If you aim for this the majority of time, hopefully you will soon find yourself stopping earlier and earlier. However we are only human so on those occasions in the coming months when you aim for that but don't quite make it, the 8 hours is the period of time that you can safely drink whilst protected.  It's a safety net limit, not a target to hit! 

      How you look to achieve this is to take that first drink or two as slow as you can.

      Taste it, savour it.  Allow your brain to recognise that it isn't the same as it used to be - the thrill or rush or whatever you wish to call it is missing.  Please do not chug the first few drinks.  It is very important you don't do that, as you will find yourself getting under the influence of the alcohol which makes it hard to listen and act of what your brain is telling you.

      The tablet is not a magic pill and will not stop you drinking through it if you chose to.  It is a tool to break the compulsion circuit in our brains.  With that broken, you must act on the fact that it is helping you have the ability to make better decisions.  It gives you the ability, but you must act on them.

      Between drinks, ask yourself if you are really wanting another?  Will it give you any more satisfaction that the one you've just finished?  Is drinking the same, or worthwhile, with that rush of endorphins missing?

      If the answer is yes, then mindfully drink another and repeat the above questioning process.

      When the answer your brain gives you is no, that's the craving has been satisfied, and you've had enough, then get up and remove yourself from the alcohol.  Do not keep drinking through the medication.  Do something else.  I remember doing something as simple as moving from one seat to another and reading.... next thing I knew, I had a read a few chapters and had forgotten about the drink.

      It is a brilliant experience when you get the glimpses of how you do forget about the glass next to you, or you put the top on the wine bottle and put it back in the fridge!  I know it might seem impossible to imagine now, but when you work with the tablets and start to see that light at the end of the tunnel, the positive success of it just breeds more and more success.

       

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      Thanks for your reply Joanna. I'm not drinking for the whole 8 hours and drinking less than if I'd been on a binge, without the naltrexone. So will let you know how I am tomorrow. Gratitude x
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    Hi. I'm more than half way through my week of taking naltrexone. Doing ok. Why does no one else post about experiences with naltrexone? Just nalmephene that I can't get. Im OK apart from sleeping until mid afternoon, dry mouth, tired but no other symptoms. 

    Was abit worried when I saw on another post about nalmephene, that it doesn't work after 2 or 3 attempts as this is my 3rd attempt. I've given up a week to get this to work for me.

    My ultimate goal is to be abstinent during the week which I know I can do as I've gone weeks, months sober. But I can't go for ever I realise. So can you advice me Joanna or Paul please. If I do 7 days with naltrexone( def cut down) can I then just go to taking at weekends after a week. Will I still get the side effects re tired, well all the same side effects as a hangover but without nausea, which I have to say is brilliant? 

    Im very lucky to have advice from yourself and Paul x

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      I can't remember which way around it is, but one of them is very hard to get and generally people have ended up getting a private prescription, where as the other is generally available through normal channels.

      Paul or Joanna will tell you which one and why.

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      Aww, thanks, PF.  That means a lot to me.

      Nalmefene is the (most recent) medication approved to be used by those currently drinking.  Naltrexone it the older medication that has prescribing instructions issued way back in the mid 1990's which means it should only be prescribed to those already abstinent but who need help to manage their cravings.  That is why more people are on nalmefene rather than naltrexone.

      There are a few private doctors who will approve naltrexone on a similar basis to nalmefene, but they are usually quite rare and quite costly. 

      Having said that I successfully used naltrexone to achieve the eventual extinction on my AUD.

      Naltrexone does seem to cause fewer side effects for most people though, and I can have weeks inbetween drinks.  The only thing I feel on the naltrexone now is a slight bit of tiredness, but that might be the naltrexone or the sedative effects of a couple of drinks or the full tummy from a lovely restaurant meal!  It's hard to tell.  Of those I support through the method though, none have any side effect issues with the breaks from the tablet/drinking inbetween.

      In the early days though, don't try to stick to any type of regime in terms of when you drink eg weekends only.

      The way TSM works is that you take the tablet when you feel a craving for alcohol beginning, no matter when that is.  After the time is up, you drink slowly and mindfully until you feel satisfied.

      This 'session' taught the brain that when it has a craving, it will get what it wants but not the reward.  Your brain will then slowly start to realise that because the reward isn't there, there isn't much point in wanting the alcohol and the cravings lessen.

      That is TSM in action, right there!

      So, craving=tablet=drinking= no reward = unlearning of the behaviour of drinking.

      If you start on a Monday thinking I won't drink today, and you don't crave, then that is great.  Go to bed and move onto Tuesday.  If you make it to the following with no cravings, therefore no cravings and no tablets needed, that is briliant.

      However, the danger of trying to whiteknuckle through any potential cravings that may happen during the week is that (1) you are unwittingly preventing TSM from doing it's job and extinguishing that craving long term and (2) you might be so desperate to drink by Saturday that you find it impossible to drink mindfully and start knocking the drink back too quickly.

      So, try relax, forget what day of the week it might be and then answer a craving with the tablet and the drink, and disappoint your brain in the process.

      Eventually, over the coming weeks you will find abstience during the week easy and with no cravings because your brain has learned that craving is pointless.  This will then leave you free to take the tablet and drink socially at weekends with no problems at all.

      However, no one can tell you how long it might take to get to that ultimate goal.  It might be 2 months or 3 months or 6 months..... it'll happen when it happens :-)

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      Thank you very much Joanna. I'm determined to see this through. I will keep you posted and hope to achieve what you have. Bless you for giving up your time to help others in need x
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      paperfairy...I'm sorry you are struggling so much.

      Don't feel bad for sleeping - at least your not drinking during that time and our bodies need that sleep to heal.  So sleeping is good for you at this point.

       

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