Thought best to use a new discussion, re Green leaf medication

Hi Trev,  totaly 100% agree with what you put hear about the greedy

 pharmisuticle companies. its true with cannabis anyone can grow it, and there folks is the reason its illegal, they cannot control the money made from cannabis or any drug, all them hundreds of billions in tax's they are missing a day, plus they don't want to cure cancer, a cure would mean no more revenue, they need us sick.

Sue

While the views above are users' own opinions, for a bit of balance on this area of the discussion see the link below which includes a statement on so called "conspiracies".

http://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2012/07/25/cannabis-cannabinoids-and-cancer-the-evidence-so-far/

Patient and these forums are not affiliated with (or get any funding from) any drug companies as we are frequently accused of. 

They have reclassified it again, they had slackened off considerably but not anymore, if you're caught with it it's more than a slapped wrist now. As you say keep it at home, don't tell anybody you use it and you should be fine.

Hi Derek in a way im glad you pointed this out as i think we were all on the brink of running out and getting some somehow.your do anything when your suffering.What happened to your friend is not good at all.

Sue

Hi susan when your in pain you will do anything to get some relief, but I think on this occassion you have to stop and think. Its easy to take But not easy to undo if things go wrong.take care

I agree with you on this derek people must stop think its easy to take, but not easy to undow if things go wrong. 

Sorry to disagree but who's to say your poor friend wouldn't have been hospitalised without taking Canabis. There is no proof that canabis causes psychological issues, now you can all scream at me but I have worked in psychiatric hospitals and with a drugs team. However alcohol causes psychological issues, hallucinations organ failure, acts of violence, do I have to go on? If you talk to your GP about it as I have nine out of ten of them will tell you it is less harmful than Paracetmol or Asprin. I'm not saying this off the top of my head I have asked both my GP, consultant psychiatrists and Medical consultants. There are more harmful things being sold over the counter in Boots.

pain free and peaceful night to all x

it depends on the variety i know im qualified in horticulture and there are a few crops that are ok but it also depends on where and who your getting it from what im saying is be carefull as if bought from someone illegaly then how do you know its not been messed about with

ganja is far from safe why do you think its not on the nhs or in fact legal if people dont agree with me then fine break the law but there are other ways to deal with it then touch illegal controlled substances and yeah thats right people its illegal in the uk for a reason

the ganja he was using was columbian gold and was taken off him when he went mental 1 day at hes home and police was called in they tested it and found it had a very harmfull chemical in it which caused him to well lets just say loose hes mind he will never get out as hes psychotic the person whio he got it from had been spraying dodgy chemicals on it with sand to make the weight higher so he could sell less to make more money and whos to say it wont happen to anyone else its illegal for a reason so i will never agree and advice people to take it its not very responsible to tell people its safe when you dont even know where it came from and how its been treated ect so my advice leave it well alone and there is no doctor out there who will say its safe to take as they can loose there jobs so i dont believe the lady who said shes been tolod by her doctor its safer than paracetomol thats rubbish as paracetomol would be illegal to

You can get bad killer batches of prescribed meds. Contamination etc. I don't like weed, it made me feel horrible when I tried it as a teen and I can say many stories of people I've known who have started smoking it and lost all motivation with their lives and become just kind of drop outs HOWEVER they were smoking a joint for breakfast and loads more during the day, they lived for smoking not smoking to live. I can't see that a few puffs a day for pain management would cause the same kind of effects. I've taken gabapentin and I would of rather take a street drug, for me it was horrendous after first pill and I didn't take anymore after that, I had much worse affects than if I had smoked some marajuna.

I think the issue would be whether u would have to continuously increase the amount to get the same pain relieving effect, if so then I think life could go downhill very quickly.

You don't believe me Derek because you have no proof that it is harmful. Do you drink? Do you personally know any doctors, consultants or psychiatrists, social workers. As for your friend becoming psychotic after using weed you say yourself it was cut with chemicals. As for someone being held on section for psychosis, this no longer happens, there are very good drugs for treating psychosis. I am not saying everyone should rush out and buy the first chance they get. I'm not saying anyone should try it, I don't use it but have in the past. I am saying my doctor told me if it was legal he would prescribe it, now believe me or not but don't call me a liar! I did not say my doctor said anything was safer than paracetamol I am saying most drugs if not all drugs you can buy over the counter at any chemists have the potential to be dangerous. I'm sure you are a good horticulturist but you only know the drivel you've read in various scare mongering press articles when it comes to canabis. I suggest you read what I have said again.

Hi Kaz yes i agree, ive known some people to start using cannabis then ending up injecting Herion, they end up taking it to feel normal and stop the pain it causes when they try and stop, im thinking if one takes canabis for pain relief, that is for a reason rather than just smoking it or injecting just to feel high. Wonder if theres such a thing as being safe and in control. if canabis or weed what ever does help with pain why would anyone want to stop taking it only to suffer more pain. I think what Derek is refering to is one needs to be sure what they are taking and get from a safe guranteed source. But in the UK you cant, its not legal and this is why people goe to dealers, but then theres the risk you dont know what they put in it. It is sad and frustrating though the only way to know what your taking is to grow the stuff yourself and risk being caught, fined, and god knows what else. I have heard of elderly people growing it and taking it just to be painfree and be able to function normaly.I guesse until its made into prescription form we will just have to soldier on a.

Charlotte one only has to read on hear under the side affects of omeprazole and read what this medication is doing to people and thats only one, its a fact that they have clinics in hospitals for people suffering side affects from prescribed medications from their GP.  One can get hooked on pain killers too, so really is canabis or green weed any worse. i have read it can cause paranoia though  in some.

 

i watched a documentry on it plus also knew from when i did my corses that it contains a poison called strychnine which is the same poison an adder has and if an adder can kill you then that says enough for me its not safe to use if you become adedeicted which is easily done with weed but it can lead to ther things like coke ect all im saying is be carefull using  it and everyone to there own and all that but dont agree with it sorry 

for me its the fact it contains strychnine and here in the uk its against the law and i just wont break the law just to feel better cause im not and never will risk getting caught and risk loosing my son so think i will stick to prescribed meds plus i have smoked weed in my teens and it could have killed me as i was miles away from anyone fishing in the country with a friend and dehydrated due to a joint so never again i had to gohospital and was given fluids through a drip but seeing it affect a friend the way it did hell no i dont want anyone else to go through that and just cause i dont agree with it dont make me a bad person its like a lot of things it affects people in different ways but no one should result to street drugs

That's fine Dereck, there's a huge difference between disagreeing with something and calling someone a liar. You have to remember there is poison in most fruit, yes the thing they tell you is good for you has Arsnic in the seeds and pips, that's peaches, apples and nectarines. Everything has the potential to be deadly, all things in moderation. I don't use weed, have but don't now, did you know that there is a difference between physically addictive and mentally addictive? One of the 'worst' drugs, that's class A drugs isn't physically addictive but some users think they need it to get through the day, that's Cocaine. Several of my pain killers are addictive, they're kept in the dangerous meds cupboard at the doctors until I collect them, if I was to be stopped by the police I'd have to prove I get it on prescription. If that could be done with canabis it wouldn't need to be cut with other substances but could be prescribed for our pain relief, it would come in measured doses, be pure and safe for most of us to take. It would surprise you to know that the majority of drug users aren't the unfortunates we see on the street with sore red eyes, runny noses etc they are professional people, bankers, solicitors etc. these people don't have to commit crime to pay for their habit, they have the money for the best drugs not the heavily cut stuff those less fortunate buy from dubious people on the street. If you get the chance try talking to one of these people, the lives of the majority would truly shock you, you can't imagine what some people have been through. I was a Counsellor, I worked with people with horrendous life stories, after eight years I burnt out, their stories were so terrible I couldn't take any more.  I know it is difficult but try not to judge people by what you see.

have a great day, pain free if possible x

I have to say an adder is extremely unlikely to kill you, I can't remember the facts, I suppose I could look them up but I'd have forgotten them before I got back here, it's something like three people in ten years have died from an adder bite. It would kill a very small dog Chihuahua etc but not a person.

 

Last death from Adder bite 1975, 14 deaths in 100 years, I wouldn't worry about being bitten by an adder. Just out of interest Dereck I have a friend with horticultural qualifications, which College did you attend? Two of my children went to the top College to offer horticultural qualifications too, neither did Horticulture neither did they follow on with the job they qualified to do. One went on to Uni to be an Operating Department Practitioner specialising in Anaesthetics the other is a top chef.

Hi Susan The only way you would know if it was safe is like you said grow your own, but then you risk getting caught and getting into trouble. Its a shame the government wount legalise for pain relief, and it be under strict regulations where only professionals give it to you who know what their doing and the right amount given to you. But I cant see that ever happening. What we have to remember is, is that we are all individules 1 person could take it and be fine with it another person could have side affects. like with anyother pain meds what works for 1 person may not for another. Im unable to take anything for pain relief because of the really bad side affects Ive had.Im just using hot waterbottles wheat bags just work through the pain as best I can. I find distracting myself from the pain sometimes helps but not always. take care  

its the only deadly snake in the uk from the viper family and is harmfull to humans but my advice is this should not be up for discussion as people should be left to make up there own minds and decide for there self so im leaving the discussion as to be honest its not even worth thinking about breaking the law yet alone taking the illegal substance ect and i do care about people just dont like people given the wrong facts and advised to take illegal street drugs there are far more safer optiond out there just find whats right and works for you and if its an illegal street drug then thats personal choice but should be kept to ones self but thats my opinion and im entitled to it all i will say is be careful and good luck and end of arguement its not worth it lifes to short and thats the main reason this should not be up for discussion as it will have mixed views and cause arguements

no offence was meant to you or anyone else its just a discussion that will get mixed views but again its personal choice and i will swollow my pride and say if it works for some then fair enough who am i to say they should not have it but all i will say is just make sure its your own personal choice and never forced on you and just be carefull thats all i do care and i to know the pain is not nice to live with and i to want it to go away but i cant go down that root but dont mean i shouls say others cant its down to them there are dangers in a lot of things and there are dangers with weed and if its going to be used be carefull where it comes from and sorry if you took offence but to have bad experiences with it this discussion was bound to bring that back up and being in pain to kind of frustrates me a bit but like i said its personal choice and is not up to me or you or anyone else its up to the individual anyway hope no offence was taken if so i apologise i only care so take care x

That's ok Derek it is an emotive subject best left alone, perhaps there should be three subjects people should avoid at parties not just the usual religion and politics but drugs too.

enjoy the rest of your weekend, take care

Please Derek look up Adder in your browser, if you ever go into the countryside I'd hate you to think you are going to get killed by an Adder. It is the only venomous snake in the UK but isn't deadly unless you are weak or small, as you will see I didn't pull my info out of a hat it is 14 deaths in 100 years, last death 1976 so don't worry you're more likely to die from an allergic reaction to a bee sting.  

i have done that and found that England like much of Europe is very close to civilization at every place (unlike the united states for example), so no matter where you got bit, you'd most likely be able to make it to a hospital for treatment. Most people recover with nausea, maybe some vomiting and bruising at the bite location. However, without treatment and if the adder pumps a lot of venom....and it's a larger one....it could kill a human. but if you was alone in the countryside and are far from civilization which is possible to be an hour or 2 away from anyone then its possisible to die from an adder bite depending how long it holds on and how much vemon is released and if the bitten limb has not been  kept still then its very possible plus i used to work with them all the time and i knew this anyway they are normaly placid but dont like to be disturbed and only get agressive if you get to close and plus the last recorded death was actualy a little earlier however there have been over a hundred recorded near fatel incedents but luckily those people where treated within minutes but lets not argue its possible and that was the point i was making it can happen but now people have a better understanding of them who work near and around them its still a risk but a small 1 now they can be dangerous and deadly but even though it a smalll risk its still a risk and they must be respected at all times