Vaginal Atrophy

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I am suffering badly with vaginal Atrophy.   Can anybody give advice please

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    I also have a severe case and am using estrace, which does make me bleed. It was quite a shock buying pads at my age!The doc said if it hurt to just use my finger, so you might try that. I also coat the outside of my vagina with either vagisil or lidocaine before putting anything in.

    I get relief from epsom salt baths. I use a brand with moisturizers and also put in coconut oil. Before I get prescribed the lidocaine, I slathered on vagisil as well.

    The initial diagnosis was a shock. She also told me I had an abrasion and that might be why I was bleeding. So be prepared for some mess but hopefully the estrogen will help. VA hits us at the core of our femininity, so don't be surprised if you find yourself depressed. It seems to me that as we get older our body attacks us in little ways. Menopause isbad enough: who knew your vagina could close shut?

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      At this stage of my life it could close and I wouldn't much care if it meant I would have no other gynecological issues. At this age I don't feel defined by my vagina. Although I loved sex, that ship has sailed and there are no partners on the horizon. I just want to enjoy good health during my remaining years. 

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      Hi Lindanb.  My doctor has now put me on Estriol cream instead of vagifam pessaries as im sure it was the applicator with the pessaries making me bleed.  The applicator with Estriol is much smoother so fingers crossed
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      hI Lindanb.  I am on Estriol cream.  Used it for 2nd time last night after using Vagifem pessaries for a long time so Im hoping it will help.  Unfortunately Ive been told we never get rid of Vaginal Atrophy but we can at least treat it
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    To all you ladies who never thought to do so (I hadn't) if you google "vaginal atrophy videos" you will find quite a few. The moderator has blocked the one I tried to post. Some are on the Mona Lisa laser, some not.

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    Don't know how many of you have access to AARP, but their recent newsletter has an article on menopausal issue. Here's a little piece of it. :

    And though menopause medications that can help alleviate discomfort — and perhaps prevent or delay the onset of chronic disease — have been around for decades in various forms, research indicates that just a small minority of menopausal women are receiving the medical care they deserve. A Yale University review of insurance claims from more than 500,000 women in various stages of menopause states that while 60 percent of women with significant menopausal symptoms seek medical attention, nearly three-quarters of them are left untreated. 

    “Doctors are not helpful,” says Philip M. Sarrel, professor emeritus of obstetrics, gynecology and reproductive services, and of psychiatry, at the Yale School of Medicine. “They haven’t had training, and they’re not up to date.”

    “Nearly one-third of this country’s women are postmenopausal,” says gynecologist Wen Shen, an assistant professor in the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine Department of Gynecology and Obstetrics. “Many of them are needlessly suffering.” 

    Most medical schools and residency programs don’t teach aspiring physicians about menopause. Indeed, a recent survey reveals that just 20 percent of ob-gyn residency programs provide any kind of menopause training. Mostly, the courses are elective. And nearly 80 percent of medical residents admit that they feel “barely comfortable” discussing or treating menopause.

    “Do most practicing ob-gyns have sufficient nuanced knowledge about menopause and how to treat its symptoms?” asks gynecologist JoAnn Pinkerton, executive director of the North American Menopause Society (NAMS). “I don’t think so.” Pinkerton surveyed more than 1,000 medical professionals (including doctors, physician assistants and nurse practitioners) regarding their knowledge of hormone replacement therapy (HRT) for menopause symptoms. Only 57 percent of physicians were up to date on their information, according to the survey’s results. 

    Every woman’s menopause experience is different, and many cruise through the natural decline in estrogen without significant discomfort. But for too many women who are experiencing serious symptoms, the response of the average doctor is simply, “There’s nothing we can do.” 

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    Incredible to me that the AMA wasn't ready for this. It was no secret that huge numbers of baby Boomers were about to turn 65. 10,000 a day!!!

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      American Association of Retired People, I think. Should be able to google it. I would post the link but the moderator will REMOVE it.
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      Beverly.....

      I cannot believe some doctors would say " there is nothing we can do". When a women is experiencing these horrible symptoms! Thank you for the article.  Doctors need training and need to do research for all of us!!  Atrophic Vaginitis is real and we need qualified doctors help....that care.

      wendy

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      This is why I have been advocating for women to complain to their insurance companies if they don't cover necessary meds or procedures like Mona Lisa. I did, but need to go further with it. It is absurd to get free birth control, but have to pay hundreds for one tube of hormone cream. I do believe Viagra is covered for men.

      Also, bringing your representatives up to date wouldn't hurt. This should definitely be on their radar. Of course, this applies to Americans. I have no idea what is covered in the UK or Canada.

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      Hi Beverly. Can anyone give me an answer to my problem.  Im on Estriol cream and use it at night just before i go to sleep, so when ive used it i go straight to sleep so the applicator doesnt get washed till morning ,  i just wrap it in toilet roll.   How do you get into the applicator tube to clean it because by morning the residue of the cream is still in the tube.    

      Also  the cream is supposed to go high up in to the vagina which is where the applicator tube does go but there seems to be at a lot at the entrance of vagina

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      I don't use an applicator. Just a pea sized amount of estradiol squeezed on a fingertip and put at the vag opening. Maybe in your case the cream slides down eventually.

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      thanks Beverly.  Is the Atriphy mostly at the vag opening. I thought it was up in the tissues where its inflammed
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      It’s ok Ruth, the estriol that gets absorbed has an effect on the whole vaginal area. I leave the applicator to soak in hot water containing vaginal wash (femfresh - although I do not use this on myself because it contain some perfume) and scrub the inside throughly with a cotton bud, making sure to remove all the cream and I rinse it off throughly with hot water from the the tap.
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      Hi Beverly.  Just to say im on Estriol cream now.  3rd dose tonight.   Ive had 3 days with no bleed and all of a sudden tonight ive had one.  is there an explanation there.  I would have thought no bleed meant that the Atrophy had gone ?
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      Hi Ruth

      it takes awhile for the vaginal area to heal after starting to use creams or Vagifem.  It took me a few weeks just to feel normal again from the discomfort of the AV.  I don't know if the Atrophy actually goes away.......?

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      ruth, I'm sure it's too soon to tell. I believe estriol is the mildest form so probably takes the longest to affect any change. I used the estradiol nightly for at least a month before going back for a progress report from the gyn.

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      Hi Beverly.  Thank you for coming back to me so quick.  Ive been told by my doctor to use the Estriol cream twice a week as I was the Vagifem.  Maybe i should be using the Estriol cream every night for a while as its such a low dosage. Youve made a very good point about it being low dosage thats why maybe im getting the occasional bleed
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      Hi Wendy.  Thank you for coming back to me.  Im trying to understand all this.  Im on the Estriol cream but my doctors only told me to use twice weekly. I was on Vagifem for a long time before   She also gave me an internal last week to see if the Atrophy was getting better.  Left me very sore and a couple of days later i had a bleed..  Think im going to use the cream every night
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      Although estriol is the mildest estrogen, it is taken in higher doses. Furthermore, you must remember that’s I had significant improvement with the estriol cream after only 2 weeks. I know we are all different, but I was very surprised by this rapid improvement.
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      Ruth, the standard practice is to use the cream every day for 2 weeks then reduce it to twice a week. However, as you were already on vagifem you will not need the 2 week introductory period - that will be why your dr told you only every 2 weeks. I assume you are getting blood from splits in the wall of your our vagina. When atrophy is advanced the vaginal wall is so dry and thin that it splits. This is happening with my mum (in her late 70’s), however she has no pain, only the blood.
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      ruth, I wasn't suggesting you take it every night, only that it was what my doctor prescribed. I would definitely call the doctor to discuss the dosage before increasing how often you are using it. My point was that it may take a little longer for estriol to work than estradiol.

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      Hi Beverly.  ive just rung my doctors and they said to use the cream every other night for a while as the dosage is very low.   Thank you so much for your reply
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      Hi Suki girl.  Thank you for replying.  Ive just rung my doctors and they say use Estriol cream every other night for a while as the dosage is so low.  Yes i am getting a slight bleed and then it goes again.  You never know when its coming back so when i go out i have to wear a pad .  Im 69 but got to put up with it.   Apparently you cant cure Vaginal Atrophy
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      Hi Beverly.  Im now on Estriol cream every other night.    It seems to stay in the vag opening the next morning although i put the applicator right up    .I thought it would stick to the vagina walls and do its work.
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      Thanks for your reply  but is it doing its job if some is staying down
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      You have to insert it last thing at night, lying down in bed and do not get up again until morning. No effects of gravity then. I do that and it only drops out when I first go to the toilet in the morning, then a bit more when I go to the toilet later on, and so on. If I need to pee in the night I just ignore it and go back to sleep (easy when you are on amitriptyline!).
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      Hi Beverly.  Just keeping in touch. Thank you for all your advice over the last few weeks.  Estriol cream seems to be working for me at the moment.  I do get a fall out because at the moment im using it every other day as I was having a bleed but that has now stopped
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      Hi Ruth

      Thank you for keeping us posted on how you are doing.  So happy to hear that you are doing better using the cream.  It has been quiet on the blogging this past week which leads me to believe the creams or Vagifem seems to be helping most to feel normal again with less discomfort.💗

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      hI Wendy. Only trouble is although im so far happy on the Estriol cream , my doctor wants me to go back onto Vagifem pessaries which i believe the applicator is tearing me inside cause theres a slight rough edge on the end of the applicator but ive told her i want to stay on the cream.  she says she will let me carry on with the cream just for a while and then access it.   I dont understand that at all
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      That really doesn’t make sense, Ruth. Your dr should be trying to find what works best for you and listening to what you want, after all you know your body best. My Dr tried me on vagifem and at the time she said, if it doesn’t work for me we’ll try something else, and if that doesn’t work there are plenty of other options and we can keep trying until I find something that works for me and I am happy with. I did react badly to vagifem and thankfully, the second option (estriol cream) did work well.
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      Hi Ruth 

      That is interesting that your doctor really wants you to go back on Vagifem.  I wonder what her reasoning is to switch.....ask her the next time you see or talk with her.  I use Vagifem and applicator does not bother me......yet.  I understand that the generic for Vagifem called Yuvafem has an applicator that has sharper edges so I will stick with Vagifem for as long as I can I guess.  Again, glad that the cream is working for you...THAT is the important thing!  😉

      Wendy

       

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      Hi Ruth, Glad it's working for you. I plan to ask my gyn if I should switch to estriol as several women have mentioned they tolerate it better. Nightly use of estradiol caused burning for me. Am down to twice a week.

      Have stopped the steroid cream altogether because of sudden reaction. Gyn has been away, but is back now. No word from her office. I think if you're not dying or about to give birth you're not on the must call list. At least I'm not terribly uncomfortable. But I have become paranoid about things worsening after reading what other women are going through. I was slightly concerned about the AV, but am now very concerned about the LS. 

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      Hi Beverly, I'm now down to twice a week with Estriol cream although there is a bit of fall out in the morning. For some reason my doc wants to go back to Vagifem pessaries but the applicator I think was tearing me cause I had a bleed with them. I get on much better, so far, with Estriol. Why are you concerned with LS ?

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      Hi Suki girl. I so agree with you about the Estriol cream. It suits me better than the Vagifem although with the cream I do get a bit of a fall out in the morning. I'm going to ask my doc this week why she wants me back on Vagifem. Perhaps their safer, I don't know

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      ruth, I am concerned about the LS because I have recently been diagnosed as having it. According to the gyn is was caused by lack of estrogen. I have read the same info, yet it is an autoimmune disease and anyone of any age can get it in different parts of the body. I am very confused by it and obviously concerned. If you look it up here and read what problems women (& men) have with it you will understand (assuming you don't have it).

      Re your problems with the applicator is this a solid pessary? If so why can't you just insert it yourself without the applicator? Just slather it with coconut oil to make insertion easier. That's how I was inserting Vit E capsules last winter. Otherwise they would stick and feel like it was tearing the skin. 

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      Why don’t you insert the vagifem pessary with your finger?
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      if you prefer the estriol cream, your dr should allow you to stay on it. Estriol is safer than the estrodiol used in vagifem.
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      Hi suki girl. How do you know estriol cream is safer than the estrodiol in Vagifem
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      I might not go high enough with the pessary with my finger
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      Google it. Suki is a medical researcher and has done a lot of research on these topics. Read through old posts and you will see what women have been using. 

       

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      Ruth, LS is lichen sclerosus, an autoimmune disease. In my case, according to my gyn, caused by lack of estrogen. This means (to me) any of you women with AV are susceptible to developing it, just like I have. I just recently found out I have it. Had no noticeable symptoms. Other women are made very uncomfortable because of it.

      Google it and you will understand the details.

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      Estrodiol and estrone, the hormones commonly found in HRT carry the risks that we all know about (increased risk of cancers, increased risk of cardiovascular problems, etc. Estriol, the estrogen that comes into play during pregnancy is known as the protective hormone because it in fact protects against cancer and cardiovascular problems. It has been well researched in Japan and Europe where is is available on prescription in cream form. It has been found to be particularly effective in treating vagainal and urinary issues during menopause. I must confess that I am not a medical researcher as Beverly says, but I am a health and social care researcher at a university so I know my way around science research.
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      It will go high enough. The average depth of the vagina (when not stimulated) is 3.77 inches. When stimulated during sexual intercourse this can increase by about an inch (still not as long as the average penis! The penis pushes the cervix up ... much like a battering ram pounding at the castle gates!!! 😂wink. I can easily reach my cervix with my finger. You don’t have to get it all the way up, the hormone will spread through the tissues.

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      Oops. Could have sworn it was medical research, but I must admit there are too many women and too many issues for me to keep straight.
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      Hi Suki girl. You certainly know your stuff don't you. My goodness. So Estriol cream is better than the Estrodiol in Vagifem pessaries ? Does it matter if I use Estriol cream long term?

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      I guess because I’m a researcher, I tend to research everything: the best treatments for any medical issues my family have, pregnancy, birth, how to bring up kids, care for my frail mum, how to be happy in a stressful world, etc. It seems you can use estriol for as long as you want (symptoms will return when you stop using it) but you should see your dr for regular check ups.
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      Hi Suki girl. What a disappointment.After days of no bleed cause I'm on Estriol cream every 3 days, I've suddenly had a slight bleed tonight

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      Suki girl did you get my last message on the slight bleed
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      Hi Beverly. I'm so disappointed tonight. After days of no bleed cause I'm on Estriol cream , a slight bleed has come tonight. Is this what VA is all about ?

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      Hi Wendy. Very disappointed tonight. Had no bleed for days now cause I'm on Estriol cream and tonight I've had a slight bleed. I suppose this is what Vaginal Atrophy is all about ?

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      Hi Ruth. What do you mean by a bleed? Is it a period? I still get periods. At one point I nearly made it to the 1 year mark then I had a period. Started when I was on holiday, standing on the beach and I felt that familiar feeling in my knickers. No warning like the usual tender boobs and headache. I had no spare clothes on me. Had to borrow my daughters knickers (she went commando). Luckily we are the same size. The  I had another period a month after that and thought, what the heck, have I come out of menopause? Then the last couple of periods have been around 6 months apart. This is ridiculous. I wish my ovaries would just pack it in now. 
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      suki, I went 6 months without a period then got one more. It seemed perfectly natural to me, but when I mentioned it to my gyn at the time she said I would have to have a D&C to ensure it wasn't cancer. I thought that sounded crazy and called a friend who was a gynecological oncologist to confirm. He said the doc was just playing it safe, but there was no need for me to do it and I did not. You're lucky you don't have an overly reactive doctor.

      Not another bit of bleeding since for me, but 20 years later I have AV & now LS to deal with. Hoping to get both under control...soon!

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      Hi Ruth

      i have Atrophic Vaginitis but have not bled so not sure that I can help.  I think that your vaginal area just needs to heal more....... are you spotting or bleeding like a period?

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      ruth, I don't have any bleeding, but it's clear that getting these problems under control takes a lot of trial and error. You can see that by reading all the different protocols women are trying. No "one size fits all".  We have to experiment to see which our bodies respond to best. I'm 3 1/2 months into using estradiol hormone cream and a steroid although I was diagnosed with AV 3 years ago. Thought I could let nature take its course, but that has caused the additional problems of LS.

      I had wanted to discuss estriol with my gyn but my last contact was over the phone and there was enough to discuss without the estriol. If I can't tolerate long term use of the estradiol I will ask about the estriol.  

      I'm about to start using an essential oil product instead of the steroid. I discussed it with my gyn and she has no objection, but I know she believes steroids are the most effective for LS. If possible I would like to avoid steroids.

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      Hi Wendy. No. Not a normal period. Just a show. Just bits of show. Comes and then goes off. When I go toilet hardly anything there. Its shock really. I had nothing for days then suddenly I had a show. I am also using a Yes product which is a moisturing gel from the Yes company and it over time heals the vaginal tissues which I was told were very tender. I put the moisturizing gel up 3 times a day. Its purpose is to repair and moisturize the vaginal tissues.
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      Hi Suki girl. I love your humour in your message you sent me. No, its not a normal period thank goodness. Its just a show on a piece of toilet tissue. Then it comes and goes. Its shock really. I've been days and days with nothing and all of a sudden I have a show which I have been told by my doc can happen. I'm using the Estriol cream every 3 days now. I was using it every other night . Maybe I should go back to every other night. I'm also using using a moisturizing gel from the Yes company which moisturizes the vaginal tissues because mine are tender cause of the Atrophy

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      i use the Yes oil based in applicators because the water based and the vaginal moisturiser sting me. You might like to try the oil based too because the natural oils, plus vit e nourish the tissues. On another discussion in this forum a while ago several women said that vit e oil was the only thing that soothed them.
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      As you seem to be having roughly same problems as me,  are you roughly same age as me.  Im 69
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      No, I’m 52. I started menopause symptoms at 47 (periods all over the place and getting gradually dryer). I have been using estriol cream for about 2 years. I managed fine for a few years using natural oils but when sex started to become painful I decided it was time for some estrogen. First I tried vagifem and reacted badly to that (swelled up so much inside I couldn’t even get a finger or the applicator in, let alone a penis), then I tried ovestin cream and after only a couple of weeks I was nice and juicy again, my vulva looked years younger (shame the cream doesn’t seem to have the same effect around my eyes 😞wink, and sex is wonderful. I had hot flushes for a while but those have stopped now. Unfortunately it seems that the old ovaries have some life in them yet and like to spring a heavy period on me every 6 months or so.

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      Last night I used the Estriol cream as I'm doing every other night because I had that bleed which has now gone off but this morning I had a fall out when I went for the first wee of the day.Very annoying because it makes me wonder how much cream actually went up. I'm seriously thinking of going back to Vagifem pessaries, but concerned that the edge of the applicator tears me cause I have slight bleed with Vagifem

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      Hi Wendy. I used the Estriol cream last night and had a fall out when I did first wee this morning. I'm just wondering how much cream is actually going up. I'm thinking of going back onto Vagifem pessaries although I think the end of the applicator tears me cause I have a slight bleed

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      Hi Ruth, Whatever you put on the board we all get in our email inboxes and can read. Saves a lot of typing. No need to send the same message to individual people.

      If you use the private message feature (by clicking on the little envelope next to a person's name) only that person will get the message.

      Since using all these lotions & potions I sleep on a towel as the coconut oil in particular was getting grease stains on the sheets. Add to that the hormone cream & the steroid. I don't put the cream up (only just in) per my doc's instructions. Have never noticed anything falling out into the toilet, but by that time I have wiped with TP. I don't get up to use the toilet for 4-5 hours after going to bed.

      I'm sure the hormone that is in the cream has been absorbed into your vaginal walls by morning. The cream base is just the vehicle to get the actual hormone into your body. Once absorbed it affects the whole area not just one spot. Everything gets fuller.

      If you use the pessary just insert it with your finger.

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      Hi Beverly. Sorry I didn't know how the Forum worked. I must be sending you all mad !! Just trying to understand this Atrophy

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      Hi Beverly. Thanks for the advice on the Estriol cream . You say you don't put the cream right up but just inside. Do you do that with the applicator. If so, will all the cream make its own way up or do you do that with your finger? Also if I go back to Vagifem pessaries, you say it can be done with a finger. Firstly I'd have to get the tablet out of the applicator then would the tablet go up itself if I put my finger just inside. Excuse my ignorance but this is all new to me .

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      Hi Ruth, I hated the applicator fr vagifem so I just pushed the tablet as far up as I could with my finger. It really does matter if it doesn’t go all the way up, same for the cream, because the effect spreads through the whole of that area. I got the cream up nice and high but it made my vulva look years younger. As for the cream coming out, I noticed yesterday that a fair bit came out in the morning, but there was still sometime coming out when I went to the toilet later in the day at 3pm. 
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      Ruth, Suki has had experience with those pessaries & applicators; I have not.  I use only a pea size amount of estradiol cream on my fingertip so there isn't a whole lot there to begin with even with my now adding the same amount of yeast cream nightly.

      Again, I am following my doctor's instructions of how to apply it. Apparently she feels a small amount at the vag opening is what I should do. Your doctor has you following a different regimen with a different medication.I have in the past inserted Vit E caps far up, but as I have said, I put coconut oil on them to make them slippery. Otherwise they "catch" on the vag walls and it is very painful. Feels like something sharp, but it obviously is not as it's a gel capsule. The skin is just highly sensitive.

      I'm not sure why you would think the pessary would go up on its own. You would have to do it, but it sounds as though you can't or don't understand.

      When you call your doc's office do you have an option of speaking to the nurse? If so, you should do that and discuss your concerns. I'm sure they will give you appropriate advice according to the protocol your doctor has prescribed and can address the problems you are having re insertion and absorption of the med.

      You may be worrying too much about this whole process which will increase your stress.

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      Ah, yes, Beverly has reminded me. I coated the vagifem tablet with coconut oil first to make it slide up easier. Like I said before, the vagina isn’t that long and I could reach up to my cervix with my finger. Like Beverly said, if you are not sure how to use these things then perhaps you should get a nurse to show you.
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      Hi Beverly. Suki says she does the pessary with her finger. I shall be doing it with the applicator. I was going back to Vagifem but my doctor has said stay on Estriol cream along with the Yes moisturizing gel 3 times a day to keep the vaginal walls moist as they are very tender. Its just a matter of getting the balance right . its trial and error but I am getting there.
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      Now there's a thought Suki. Coat the pessary with coconut oil or can it be some of the Yes moisturizing gel instead?

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      I used the applicator for the Estriol cream last night about 9.45 but had to get up for the toilet about 4.00. This morning I've had a bleed which is starting to go off. I think the applicator disturbed things up there. Its very annoying

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      I coat the cream applicator in coconut oil. I also apply coconut outside and just inside myself before inserting the applicator. It just slides in easier then. You could use Yes oil instead of coconut oil for tablets or applicators - whatever oil or lube works for you.
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      Thank you Suki. The bleed at the moment is off and on. Although I did the cream last night, I'm just putting in the Yes moisturizing gel to calm the tissues down and hopefully stop the bleed

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      Has a dr had a look inside to identify where this blood is coming from? Is it from your uterus or the vaginal walls? I can’t remember if you said they had done this. When I had unusual bleeding they gave me an ultrasound scan to check if anything untoward was going on.
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      My doc looked a while ago and said it was very tender up there because of the atrophy. Apparently it was quite bad when checked at the Hosp couple years ago. I have always suffered badly with periods
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      Yes but is the blood from light periods or is it coming from the eroded vaginal walls due to atrophy?
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      Hi Suki girl.  Coming from the vaginal walls which are extremely tender, so tender that i believe the applicators from the cream and Yes moisturizing gel are just nicking the tissues.  This morning ive got hardly anything just slight shows..  Feels wet down there but obviously im putting cream and gels up so its not surprising
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      I’m so sorry you are going through this Ruth. But it is important for other women to be made aware of what happens if you leave it too late to use topical oestrogen - the vaginal wall can deteriorate so much that it is thin and fragile. I don’t know if topical oestrogen can reverse this damage, but you keep trying and keep us posted. I believe Beverly regrets not using topical oestrogen sooner.
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      Thank you Suki girl.   I was told it was tender up there.   I am using Estriol cream every other day at the moment just so I can get things right.   Its only brown mark im getting now, there might be a slight bit of red now and again.  Im suffering more today with large bouts of wind which is very uncomfortable in my rear end.  I have a feeling thats coming from the applicator of Yes gel which when i release the gel inside,  I try again while its up inside me thus causing some air from the applicator to go up me.
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      Hi Suki girl and friends. Just to let you know that the light bleed has stopped now. Did the cream last night and then the Yes moisturizing gel this morning and so far its going well. Who told me the Estrogen in the Estriol cream was better than the Estrogen in the Vagifem pessaries. I hope this is true because I prefer using the applicator for the cream
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      I can’t really remember the vagifem applicator (it is a couple of years ago now that I used vagifem), but I do remember that I didn’t like using it and used my finger instead.
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      I meant about the  Estrogen  not the applicator.  why is the Estrogen better in the cream rather than the Estrogen in the pessary
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      The estrogen in the cream is estriol. The estrogen in the pessary is estrodiol. Women have 3 kinds of estrogen in their bodies: estriol, estrodiol and estrone. HRT containing estrodiol or estrone carries risks of cardiovascular problems and cancer. Estriol on the other hand has a protective function in the female body and has been shown by research carried out in Japan and Europe to lower the risk of cardiovascular problems and cancer. Having said that, the amount of estrogen that enters the bloodstream and therefore the rest of the body when used locally in the vagina (rather than oral tablets or patches) is negligible, so creams and pessaries are far safer than oral or patch HRT. Nevertheless, I am comforted by the fact that the estriol in the cream is a protective estrogen.
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      Thank you Suki girl for those comments which is very helpful.  Im going to my doctor today  to discuss between Vagifem and Estriol cream and I know what Im going to decide on.  Estriol cream is the one I will stick to being the safer one.  I had a couple of days of no bleed at all and its come back just slightly this morning.  There again Im putting a lot up at the moment with the cream every other day and the Yes moisturizing gel 3 times a day and maybe Im disturbing the tissues a little as I know its tender up there
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      Hi Beverly.  I hope that your coping with L.S.  I do feel for you.  Please keep me updated on how your getting on.

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